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Free (Legal) Music From Amazon MP3

Discussion in 'Ogres Breakfast' started by Lions, Apr 29, 2010.

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  1. JaredOzzy

    JaredOzzy The Legendary Ogre Veteran

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    yes what you said.
     
  2. quinn

    quinn Starcatcher Ogre Veteran

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    Limewire isn't illegal. It's simply a peer-to-peer file sharing client. So are torrents. Actually, torrents don't even have a website. They are simply files that point to other people sharing parts of the file. The things people may DO with them may be illegal, but the programs themselves are not in any way, shape, or form, illegal. Also, theirs the whole "fair use" weirdness. Torrents are a superior way of downloading files, and I hate it when they are called illegal.
    -waits patiently for MechWarrior 4 to finish downloading now that it is officially free- (If I didn't have torrents, this would probably not work.)

    Hmm...Jared. Think of it this way: If people don't pay for that awesome song, awesome game, etc. Why should they make music any more? It's not like they will make much money if everyone pirates it. However, some people pirate to see if something is good, and will pay for it if it isn't absolute crap. (Although there is the point of view that by trying the game out and telling about it to your friends that they are "advertising". I see this as complete crap though.

    Also, morality. Ethics. Are YOU a good person?
     
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  3. awesomedrako

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    Damn, sorry Quinn, I know that and still made the mistake. I'm just so used to the general portrayal of most people of torrents and gnutella being illegal. Both are really good technology that just isn't used legally by most people because of their nature, you are right.

    And I've actually given up on torrents because normally there's either a conventional download method to get the file I want, or the torrent doesn't have the right amount of seeders and leecher proportion to make it fast.
     
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    Though torrents themselves aren't illegal, the use itself can be. However somehow I don't get the whole illegalness nature of it and the hunt for illegal downloaders. The only illegal downloads I make, are for stuff that either can't be found in the stores and therefore can't be aquired in a legal way (like some Turkpop songs that I have), or if it weren't available for illegal download, then I still wouldn't buy it, because I don't think its worth the money. I basically download it because it is free. In fact a lot of CD's I bought, because I downloaded a song, liked it, and figured I should get the cd. Then again I download more books than I download music, so it isn't so much the music industry that I hurt.

    This is one thing that the music industry doesn't seem to get. The demand for their products is flexible! That means demand will go down when prices go up. The music industry seems intent to prove that it is illegal downloads that are the major cause of the lower demand of their products. I think it plays a role, but I don't think it's the major cause. Think about it this way. Teens are the largest purchasers of music ever since the sixties of the previous century. Their budget has a limit now, as it did then. What's different between the eighties and now, is that in the early eighties there weren't many computer games out there. The music industry doesn't seem to realise that they aren't losing so much money to piracy as they are to the games industry. And well I'd rather spend money on games than on music, so flexibility alone isn't the problem, it is also substitution. Price flexibility and substitution are the two major economic forces that are really hurting the music industry. At least that's my opinion on the matter. Not that I endorse illegal downloads, I consider it my only vice.
     
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  5. awesomedrako

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    Seems similar to the argument about whether a game piracy is damaging game sales...

    And I think it's pretty much impossible to know whether someone is downloading music, unless they tell you, and even then almost impossible to prove unless you can access their computer.

    Certainly, some of my friends download most, if not ALL their music illegally, so they certainly contribute to damaging the music industry.
     
  6. JaredOzzy

    JaredOzzy The Legendary Ogre Veteran

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    Omg too much to read >.< and if your asking me quinn am i a good person? well yes im an awesome person :)
     
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    Lions Clubbed for Drama

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    Yes, both Limewire and torrents are very useful for both legal and illegal purposes. I prefer torrents though because they have comments so if something has a virus you'll probably be able to tell through the comments plus you can pick out the files you want if you use programs like uTorrent. And I agree with Shugo, most of the games that I download are things that can not be purchased new anymore. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. For example, the other day I downloaded Quake off TPB and in my mind that's fine. Activision no longer sells Quake new so the only place I could get it is if I were to purchase the game used. If I purchase the game used Activision is still not going to make any money off of it so why should they give a shit if I'm pirating it, either way they won't make money. Now if I was downloading say, Battlefield: Bad Company 2 or something like that then that would be wrong and deserve some sort of punishment. But I download old games all the time through torrents. I have a collection of NES, SNES, and GBA ROMS on my flash drives and sometimes I'll fire up an emulator and play them. Not to mention older PC games like Quake, Quake 2, and the first Call of Duty, which are always fun too.
     
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    While, stop being lazy and read it. At least my post.
     
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    Could you make it concisely?
    too long.
     
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    what psufootball or my post?

    lol I know, I can be longwinded sometimes
     
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    Lions Clubbed for Drama

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    If your an awesome person then you should take the time to hear what others have to say. Not reading posts simply because they're wrong is like ignoring someone in real life. This is why I try to abstain from political debates on the internet these days, people simply skip my posts and I end up repeating myself over and over again.
     
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    quinn Starcatcher Ogre Veteran

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    No, he's saying that the posts are too long.

    tl;dr
    Posts too long. Shorten.
     
  13. awesomedrako

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    Well, torrents can be downloaded from various sites. Most allow comments, but I've seen torrent search engines that don't show comments.

    Do you mean abandonware when you say 'can't be purchased new anymore'?

    And do you own those NES, SNES, and GBA games in real life? Or bought them at some point of your life?
     
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    Lions Clubbed for Drama

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    Yeah but I get my torrents from TPB which has comments.

    And yes I did purchase some of those games in real life. Some I did not. Yeah, it's illegal for me to have the ROMS then, I know. But like I said before, if I want to play Quake (yes i know that's a pc game but same thing) why should Activision care if they no longer make a profit on it. If I were downloading MW2 that would be different. You can say what you want about this, in my mind it doesn't feel morally wrong to download and play old games that are hard to find.
     
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    You're right about the Quake thing, but do you know whether it's abandonware now?

    And I have several ROMs of questionable legality as well, so you're not alone there.
     
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    Lions Clubbed for Drama

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    I consider games abandonware if I can't go out to a gaming store like Gamestop or Gamecrazy and buy them new OR if it's 2 generations old. Like now I would consider PS1 games abandonware. That's far from the real definition for it but that's what I always consider it.
     
  17. JaredOzzy

    JaredOzzy The Legendary Ogre Veteran

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    :tiny:there i just read every post from when i said too much to read and i never said make posts shorter i just dont like reading i never read but at one point i wouldve got to it
    hopefully and i never not read it to ignore you or whatever i just did it beacause it was early in the morning and i dont like reading.
    now sorry if this caused any ahh conflicts?if thats the right word i cant think proper right now.i dont wanna seem like a huge A-hole :disappointed:

    i agree here :)
     
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    I'll use your word here jared, conflicts. Saying you agree with Shugo you basically contradicted yourself. First you're saying "Why would anyone pay for music when you could get it free with Limewire" then in that post you're saying you agree that if you find a song you want you want then you go out and buy the CD sometimes. I'm completely lost now.
     
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    Hey. I saw you edit that back in....

    Also, he probably didn't completely read Shugo's post?
     
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    Quinn, your signature is just a little outdated now. And I saw your dragon looking different to mine, but then I realised mine is male but yours is female (I've made ridiculous names for mine by the way).
     
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