Triple Triad forum dupes - please ignore

Object 430 and 430V2

Object 430 Variant II

Soviet tier 9 medium tank, leading to the regular Object 430. The branch starts (like now) from T-34 and there is a 90 percent chance there will be no high tier shortucts from this branch to another one (or vice versa)






Object 430

Soviet tier 10 medium tank

 

World of Tanks - Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory
by:BohemianEagle
World of Tanks - Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory - YouTube
There's no game that goes so right it's not possible to throw it all away right at the last moment, if you just suck enough.

 

World of Tanks - Two on Tundra
by:BohemianEagle
World of Tanks - Two on Tundra - YouTube
Two games on the Tundra map in two tanks that couldn't be more different, the Indien-Panzer and the T30.

 

Na`Vi. Inspirer In Action @ amx 13 90
by:naviwot
Na`Vi. Inspirer In Action @ amx 13 90 - YouTube
In Action @ amx 13 90

 

Na`Vi.Kirilloid In-Action @ Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger - Kolobanov
by:naviwot
Na`Vi.Kirilloid In-Action @ Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger - Kolobanov - YouTube
In-Action @ Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger

 

world o ws

 

Welcome to Gameogre and great intro.

 

I wonder how it will be. T-54 is so awesome already.

 

[AOD] Angels of Death



Throughout this week we'll have a special edition of the Clan Spotlight, taking you back into the early history of Clan Wars. This was a time when a few Clans could hold down large portions of the Clan Wars map, when an alliance could take in almost 80% of the entire map's income, and then right near the end, they painted the map blue. This is the time of NASA, and we'll be bringing to you insight from some of the leadership of these Clans every day this week.

Next up on our list of NASA Clans will be AOD. In the early days of World of Tanks, AOD was one of the top Clans on the server. They had talent in addition to numbers, and they were always someone you'd want on your side. Despite a large falling out, this community has kept calm and carried on, still serving as a great community for players of many different games to call their home.

We interviewed these current and former AOD players to see the Clan's history:

Oogieboogie [AOD] - The current leader of AOD.
Friction [FLCRM] - A former officer and primary battle caller in AOD, now a member of Fulcrum Gaming.
Lex_ [LOCKD] - A former officer of AOD.

Discussion for all NASA Week Spotlights can be found below.

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What brought your clan into NASA in the first place?

Lex_ - AOD was in an alliance called "The Northern Alliance". This alliance was started by Iron Raiders. AOD found out that "Carl", the leader of Iron Raiders was dealing under the table, so to speak, and was not honoring his agreement as a member of the Northern Alliance. Once AOD had proof, we quit the Northern Alliance, and attacked Iron Raiders, removing them from the map in around 5 days.

Friction - AOD was brought into NASA with the fall of Iron Raiders. This was at the end of the Northern Alliance vs Southern Alliance war. The turning point in this war was when AOD and ROTA switched from being part of the Northern Alliance to joining the Southern Alliance as it was proven that Iron Raiders had been conducting what we considered under the table deals. When we got enough proof, we gave Iron Raiders a 72 hour period to prepare for war with us then we spearheaded the assault and eventual removal of them from the map and relevance in Clan Wars.

What was your favorite part about being in NASA?

Lex_ - I really enjoyed the Clans and members of NASA. They were funny, friendly, and very honorable. (Most of them anyway lol)

Friction - As the primary battle caller and strategy leader of AOD the biggest thing I enjoyed about being part of NASA was border security. Having consist allies you could count on really helped make my life easier. However it also made things a bit boring with no real war to fight.

Oogieboogie - Being a major player within the largest ever alliance brought with it quite a lot of prestige. Everyone knew of our success, and everywhere you went people wanted to join us. The best of the best would come through our doors daily and share their experience.

In your opinion, what was the main thing that led to the collapse of NASA?

Lex_ - Greed. NASA was in the process of dividing all the land that they owned to all members of NASA. Too many Clans became greedy. MLP and AOD decided to start our own alliance and left NASA. Remember, MLP and AOD were the 2 most powerful Clans at that time. MLP had 4 battle teams, and AOD had 16 battle teams.

Friction - The primary reasoning for the collapse of NASA was MLP and other Clans' greed. AOD could also be considered greedy from a certain perspective, however MLP was the primary cause in my opinion.

Do you think it's possible for a NASA-like alliance to exist today, even in scaled down form?

Lex_ - Anything is possible, however, I don't think it will ever happen again to the scale that NASA was.

Friction - I feel like alliances like NASA could develop at any time. It really only requires dedication and teamwork for the different Clans to lock the map down. Some things have made this harder however I do not feel like elaborating further.

If you had to guess which Clans could make up the current-day NASA, who would be a part of it?

Lex_ - All the powerful Clans could get together and form a current-day NASA, but I really don't think that will happen.

Friction - I have no idea I do not keep contact with the current map politics.

What was your proudest achievement for your individual Clan during the NASA era?

Lex_ - When we took out 3E and Iron Raiders, almost single handedly, we owned more territory than any other Clan in the history of Clan Wars. The gold income per day for around 3 days was approximately 38,000 gold per day.

Friction - I think our proudest achievement was removing IR from the map in a roughly two week period. This was spearheaded by AOD.

Oogieboogie - Some would hail the extremely large territory and daily income as the proudest achievement. However I see a large Clan that was able to reach success while maintaining its respectful interaction with other players and be true to our word, despite the many challenges we faced.

What was the thing you hated the most about being in NASA?

Lex_ - I actually loved being in NASA. But at the end of NASA, the arguing and egos became too much for anyone to handle.

Friction - I disliked the fact that it required so much politics and the endless meetings and negotiations made it unbearable.

Oogieboogie - While being one of the most significant Clans in NASA brought good points, there were many negative aspects to daily experiences in WoT. The AOD tag brought with it consistent team-kills and harassment from other players. From my perspective, even though AOD-A had relatively little involvement in CW the AOD name brought a lot of unwelcome and disheartening interaction with the haters and trolls. I hated to see so many of our members experience this, especially for the new and casual players in AOD-A.

What kind of reputation did your Clan build for itself during that time?

Lex_ - AOD, at that time, was an "Honor Clan". We always helped small Clans when they were being bullied. We used to take 1 stack of chips and run through Africa and take out the bully Clan and allow the little Clan to follow us and take the territory we left behind. When we were finished, we would pull our chips off and leave Africa.

Friction - AOD was considered by some as the best Clan on the map. This was debatable when compared to MLP however as I have asked several different opinions from other Clan leaders at the time, AOD was truly the best at the time and though I was not the Clan leader I was the battle leader. I was responsible for strategic development through the era and had only lost roughly 10 battles in my Clan Wars history leading AOD with roughly 450+ wins. Other people considered us greedy and arrogant but for the most part the Clan was well respected and treated people with respect. We had a zero tolerance smack talk rule which helped keep peoples opinion of us rather positive.

Oogieboogie - To this day we still encounter those players that remember the legacy AOD established during the early days. I feel some pride when an unfamiliar player defends us from someone mouthing off, or comes to us saying something to the effect of "AOD is a good bunch of guys, and I respect that, can I join you / help?".

The "Tiered Income Proposal" near the end of NASA was a very controversial topic... what was your Clan's stance on it?

Lex_ - AOD had always given land to other Clans. As a large Clan (four 100-man Clans), we needed more land than a Clan with just one 100-man Clan. However, other Clans that thought they were very powerful wanted more gold and the less powerful Clans were getting less and less gold income as the talks went on. The tiered income proposal could never work. And that, coupled with what Wargaming did to the landing zones (can't attack a landing zone if you own land) is what killed NASA.

Friction - We felt it was a poor decision and really didn't like it nearly as much as others but with the majority of the Clans wanting something to distribute gold at different tiers we only insisted that we would be considered a top tier Clan if that was the approach we would take.

What decisions do you think would have needed to be made to save the alliance?

Lex_ - For some of the stronger Clans to have just allowed the smaller NASA Clans to have a little more gold and not have been so greedy.

Friction - Greed would have needed to be resolved, MLP truly caused the conflict insisting and pushing they would receive the highest amount of gold per person while doing the least amount of work.

What Clan would you say was your closest allies/friends during NASA?

Lex_ - There were so many close friends. Panzac, MLP, SG, Iron Wolves, Rota, Havok, Red Sky, BG, and so many others.

Friction - AOD was very closely allied with Iron Wolves and ROTA.

Why did you choose the side you were on following the dissolution of NASA?

Lex_ - Some of the Clans in NASA were very unhappy that MLP and AOD were to get more gold than any other Clan in NASA. So it was the logical thing to just leave NASA with MLP and remove any problems that we were causing. I think 2 or 3 other Clans came with us.

Friction - AOD decided to side with MLP because we honestly underestimated the resolve of the other members that separated and we also over estimated MLP and our other allies. Eventually we would be put into a war on multiple fronts with our allies becoming less and less reliable and almost a total collapse after my departure.

How much have you worked with other former members of NASA since the split?

Lex_ - Not much. I decided to stay away from alliances and just be on our own. Less drama.

Friction - I have not done much of any Clan Wars leadership after NASA split and the immediate war that resulted from it.

AOD had a very public meltdown after NASA, what was the story behind it?

Lex_ - The CO of AOD was promoted and moved to another game and left World of Tanks. That is when I became the CO of AOD. The former CO was a very good CO and many people wanted to still be with him, so many people moved to the new game that he went to. Many of the very skilled players left and there was a very big hole AOD had to fill. The players that stayed became frustrated that we were not as powerful as we once were and the drama started to increase. To make the story short, over 100 AOD members left the Clan and started their own WoT Clan. Unfortunately that new Clan didn't last much more than a month, but it crippled AOD's WoT division to the point that more and more of the skilled players wanted gold and left for other Clans.

Friction - Lex was made the leader of the Clan, he was in my opinion a very poor choice for leadership and I had heard he was shady to deal with. I was removed from the Clan during a short break over Christmas vacation while the map was inactive which led to my frustration and eventual departure from the Clan. This of course had a very traumatizing effect on the Clan as a whole. People underestimated how much I had really been doing and took it for granted until I was gone. I was also the primary battle caller and with my departure the Clan eventually fell apart. Being a soldier for a Clan is very simple but battle callers and people who actually develop strategies that are effective are very rare.

Oogieboogie - Much of the bad-blood from the event has faded over the years, but there will likely be some differing accounts of this from the many people involved. I was not directly involved in the decisions and events as the nature of AOD-A insulated it somewhat from the meltdown. It boils down to a member who repeatedly broke the Clan's rules and was removed. Friends followed, the all too familiar story was spun and the community ate it up.

How has AOD recovered from this?

Lex_ - AOD's WoT Division really never recovered from this.

Oogieboogie - While AOD has not returned to the size and CW success it once had, we haven't given up and shut down. We've pushed to rebuild, retrain, and re-enter Clan Wars. One must remember that first and foremost AOD's goal is for the guys to enjoy themselves as a family of gamers in our multi-game Clan, not necessarily be #1 on the CW map - we happened to build great group of very driven members that pushed us to the successes we had.

What has AOD been up to lately?

Lex_ - Oogie can answer this question, but if I might give my reason for leaving AOD? The main leadership of the Clan became corrupted and began to not follow their own rules, which caused so much drama and BS that I left AOD. One of my main Sgts left as well and we started a new Clan called "LockDown".

Oogieboogie - Our current focus is rebuilding our competitive teams. While we have a number of experienced members in our upper ranks, we have many newer recruits who need development. Currently we are working to capitalize on the new Clan Wars campaign for our newer members to experience Clan Wars. We're also looking forward to the new team battle mode to provide a more enjoyable and productive entry point to our up-and-coming battle leaders.

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This was part 2 of a mini-series of Spotlights on NASA Clans. For the forum discussion about this mini-series, click the button below.


Clan Spotlight Special: NASA Week (Part Two) | Clan Wars | World of Tanks

 

[FORGE] Forge

Throughout this week we'll have a special edition of the Clan Spotlight, taking you back into the early history of Clan Wars. This was a time when a few Clans could hold down large portions of the Clan Wars map, when an alliance could take over 85% of the entire map's income, and then right near the end, they painted the map blue. This is the time of NASA, and we'll be bringing to you insight from some of the leadership of these Clans every day this week.

The first Clan we'll visit is Forge. Seen as one of the weaker Clans in NASA at the time, they grew to possibly the most powerful Clan on the server. Despite a recent setback, they are still alive and well with a very healthy community built around the name.

We caught up with these players from Forge to see what they had to say:

Yawh [FORGE] - Officer in Forge, one of the founding members.
BarrooM [-G-] - A former leader of Forge.
nagatron [FLCRM] - A former officer of Forge, has moved on to playing tournaments exclusively as a member of Fulcrum Gaming, the defending WGLNA champions.

Discussion for all NASA Week Spotlights can be found below.

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What brought your clan into NASA in the first place?

BarrooM - We had just broken away from AOD and formed Forge. We were looking for a place to test ourselves and try to stay away from AOD to prevent any more drama. We started messing around in Eastern Al-Wahat (2400g province in the center of North Africa). After our merger with [CORE], we decided to try our luck over in the Middle East. There were some nice little honey pots there. The "Southern Alliance" as it was called at the time, invited us to take up some land that RS was going to give up. We jumped on the chance. We ended up actually having another clan removed from that area was well so that we could get more gold income from defending Sinai every night.

nagatron - I was just starting to play actively when this happened. I believe we joined simply because we were able to lock down an LZ and earn gold with minimal risk, but I wasn't involved in that decision.

What was your favorite part about being in NASA?

BarrooM - I got to meet some really cool people. Some of the Goons were the nicest and most funny people I had met in game. When I was in AOD, Goons were painted as the evil monsters that would ruin this game. They ruin everything. I got to meet Yankee too. I can't say I really liked him at the time, but that's the great thing about this game, we've become really good e-pals.

nagatron - The ability to clear each other's landing zones allowed us to have fun on our own schedule. We didn't have to defend on nights when we were really busy and we could jump into as many fights as we wanted to on the nights we weren't. Sometimes we even got to fight against allies in LZs that didn't matter.

In your opinion, what was the main thing that led to the collapse of NASA?

BarrooM - Greed, greed, and more greed. If we could have all just agreed to share evenly, I think you would still see a form of NASA to this day. Some clans thought they were worth a lot more than the other clans. I would have agreed that some clans deserved a bit more gold than others due to the amount of teams and quality of teams they could put out, but not the amounts they were asking for.

Yawh - I don't think it really collapsed, in my opinion it more or less dissolved because there was no longer a need for it. It had built relationships that held strong enough to move forward without it. Those relationships are what defined it anyways.

nagatron - Arrogance, entitlement and greed.

Do you think it's possible for a NASA-like alliance to exist today, even in scaled down form?

BarrooM - Yes. It kind of already does. It's not filled with spreadsheets and hour long nightly meetings, but top clans talk to each other a lot.

Yawh - Of course. The question is really who and how many would be willing to take the time and effort to make it happen. If there is a common enemy or goal it will likely happen. It is just a matter of time.

nagatron - It's always possible to make something like that work, it's just exceedingly more difficult with the way Clan Wars works now.

If you had to guess which Clans could make up the current-day NASA, who would be a part of it?

BarrooM - [-G-], Relic (all divisions indivisible under Loz), Petco, SIMP, Havok (Even though Simp and Havok are fighting the Relic bloc, I still think they should/would be included). If RS became active again, maybe those guys too. Unless something drastically happens to warrant another NASA, I don't think you will see it ever again.

Yawh - I would suspect the following would; [-G-], Relic, and all of Petco. Of course they would want others to join as well but those would be the main ones.

What was your proudest achievement for your individual Clan during the NASA era?

BarrooM - Watching the implosion of the clans that thought they deserved more than they were worth. Forge wasn't at its height at the time and we held our own against some of the self-proclaimed "Best Clans" in the game. After the split, I told our guys to buckle up for a tough long set of fights. One of the best things I think I've ever said during that time was "Look guys. We can lose 3 games to these guys and it won't matter. We're supposed to lose. We take 1 game from them and they will rage, they are not supposed to lose to trash like us". It really stuck. And I'm proud of how everyone in Forge at that time dug in and stuck together. Also, shout out to the old "Scrub alliance" members (SG especially).

What was the thing you hated the most about being in NASA?

Barroom - The nightly meetings could drag on. But I think the biggest low for me was when the goons decided to join the other side. They were the swing shift clan when NASA was splitting up. They hadn't decided which side to fight on. I had the same feeling, just not as butthurt as when -G- joined the SCC war.

Yawh - Meetings were long and boring, every once in a while personalities would clash, that was always amusing.

nagatron - Meetings. I only had to go to a few of them, but they were incredibly long and monotonous.

What kind of reputation did your Clan build for itself during that time?

BarrooM - Forge was gaining a lot of rep at the time. We touted the "We're a bunch of nobody scrubs". I actually started referring to myself and Forge as "Bad@Tanks". Forge forums still has an emoticon that I created that says that. After the implosion of NASA, our rep just started going way up. We started really getting aggressive on our recruiting and battle leading. Nagatron started out as one of my "Platoon/Flank Commanders" and quickly became arguably one of the best strat and battle callers all time. Fulcrum Gaming started out mostly in Forge!

Yawh - We were a force. We stood our ground and did what needed to be done. Many had little or no respect for us in the beginning and yet many of them no longer exist. Our rep was pretty much strong, proud, and respectful. We also had been known for farming an area for 2-3 months then picking up and moving to pick a fight. We liked having good fights and didn't like to farm a lot.

nagatron - During NASA itself we didn't really build much of a reputation beyond the fact that we could hold a landing zone just fine and were rather friendly about clearing other LZs. Most of our reputation came after the downfall of NASA proper.

The "Tiered Income Proposal" near the end of NASA was a very controversial topic... what was your Clan's stance on it?

BarrooM - I liked one of the proposals the Goons made. It paid the "Big Dogs" like AOD and MLP a bit more than everyone else. They had the tanks and players, they deserved it. The proposal that the AOD/MLP group made was a joke. It made me really not like a lot of those guys. It gave clans like Relic and RS 8.333k, the bare minimum share.

nagatron - I can't say I remember the entire clan's stance on it, but I do remember my own. At this point I had recently become an officer and felt that each clan should be rewarded a standard amount for each LZ they held. Gold paid for work done essentially.

What decisions do you think would have needed to be made to save the alliance?

BarrooM - There was no turning back. The power hungry were not going to change their stance, no matter what. Neither side was willing to compromise on the tiered gold system. Most of us wanted a fair share. I guess we would have had to take the lower shares in order to make it work. Funny part is, they had Forge actually making more than we had asked for, so the MLP/AOD plan actually benefited us. I just didn't like our friends having to take a hit. I personally couldn't live with that. Neither could Forge.

Yawh - Who said the alliance needed saved? =)

nagatron - MLP primarily had to be willing to part with the ludicrous amount of gold they were making. The offer on the table was perfectly fair.

What clan would you say was your closest allies/friends during NASA?

BarrooM - I think NDP/MSW followed by SG. I really enjoyed hanging out with Chair and Hobbiton during and after the NASA meetings. Funny thing with SG; we became really close after the split, then ended up fighting later on when we were in France. Funny enough, the guys that turned their backs on us in the NASA split, NDP, we ended up trying to defend during the SCC war. We had no idea they were on the verge of dying when we stuck up for them.

Yawh - I would say NDP. They had great leadership and the time. Our bond was pretty solid and we stuck with them until the end.

nagatron - Havok was probably the closest thing we had to a friend.

How much have you worked with other former members of NASA since the split?

BarrooM - Everyday. A lot of the former members from both sides are now in -G-, where I am.

Yawh - The lifers are still around. Some rebuilt other clans some formed new ones. The relationships are still there. They may not be as strong as they once were but they still play a role.

nagatron - This has evolved over time but we worked with SG at first, then later worked much more closely with NDP, SSGS and Relic.

After the split, you went with the side that was expected to lose the war, what made you do this?

BarrooM - Mainly because some of our closest friends on the map were getting the short end of the stick as far as gold goes. That and I couldn't stand the egos over at MLP/AOD. I think we all wanted to stick it to them pretty badly.

Yawh - Honor, Integrity, Respect. We stood by our friend and kept our word.

nagatron - We had no choice really. MLP and AOD decided to start the war and felt they were better than the rest of us. We also uncovered evidence that one of these two clans was encouraging people from outside NASA to hit our LZs and were deliberately "forgetting" to clear them for us so that we'd have a harder time staying on the map.

Was it surprising to you that you won the post-NASA war?

BarrooM - Sort of. As you know, there is a lot of behind the scenes work that goes into these wars. A lot of forum chest puffing and propaganda. We purposely touted ourselves as awful players in an awful clan so that when and if we won, it would sting the other guys that were the best in the game. It seemed to work quite a bit. Like I said, I would gladly eat 3 losses for 1 win against them. We really didn't know at the time, but MLPs attendance had dropped pretty low. And even lower when they started losing battles. The officer core had told our members, we aren't going to stop, ever. I also think our little scrubby alliance was really well organized. We took it very serious with NASA'esque meetings nightly.

Yawh - Surprising? That's a matter of perspective. We had a lot of good talent and reliable players. They were there till the end and weren't going to give up. You are only as good as your players.

nagatron - Not at all. Quite frankly we knew they had better tankers on average and more experience, but we also knew that these things are only part of what wins a war. We set out to destroy their gold income, because we knew it would cause tension and create problems inside their house. I don't think any of us expected MLP to fold so quickly though.

How did you grow into one of the dominant Clans after NASA dissolved even though you were considered one of the lesser clans in the alliance at the time?

BarrooM - The guys believed in the clan. They believed we were just as good if not better than anyone on the map. Our recruiting standards went up after as well. We picked up some really talented callers and players. At the height of our CW ability, we had half a team of the guys that went on to form Fulcrum Gaming.

Yawh - Time, effort, and a dedicated leadership. Forge will never die. This is our home for many. Sure we will have a turnover rate or drop in membership but in the end the dedicated few will always stay. We made something great and wanted to keep it great. For all those that remain we know that hardships and trials ahead. Forge will always be around big or small in world of tanks, world of airplanes possibly even world of battleships. We are a community and will take it one day at a time.

nagatron - We didn't stop fighting for months. Due to a miscommunication we went to war with SSGS almost immediately after MLP fell. Shortly after that RS decided to declare war on us so we stuck around to fight that for a while until we decided to pick up entirely from that region of the map and head west. After a few-days-long campaign we stormed France and quickly established a reasonable pile of gold and began to settle down. With more free time for tournaments we joined the Absolute Power tournament and won the whole thing. This was really key for our reputation as very few clans thought we would win. After this victory we gained a lot more respect and were finally seen as a major power on the map.

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Hmmm...doesn't interest me. You guys?

 

LOL next branch of russian meds. Im sure that when EU will be very angry they will have problem. First they shuld make EU tree not next branch of USSR.

 

It must have nice dings That hul looks great

 

I must say looks great

 

So nerf will be in 9.0

 

Poka

 

Isn't there a review page for that?

 

Since I can nominate 2 more here:

Triple Triad
Ogre Bounce

 

Think clerics as a class lost here .